Why Won't People Accept My Rational Choice To Die?

Question

Frankly, finding Martin Manley was a great help to me. The nearest I've come to my own mindset.

I, too, am determined to self terminate. I attempted last Xmas, but incredibly I survived a Nembutal overdose. Took days in ICU and weeks in hospital plus much exercise but now I'm actually healthier than I have been for decades.
But I still want to die.
I have acquired more (legal) drugs since but, incredibly, the house caught fire the weekend I planned to go.
So, delayed a few weeks.

I have seen psychiatrists, counsellors, Doctors, nurses, HR, Crisis Teams etc.
I have had Family and friends reason, threaten and plead with me.
Nothing I say can get them to accept my choice.
I see it simply as the ultimate act of Self-Agency.
My choice in my time under my conditions.
It is truly sad others can't/won't see or accept this.
As I said to the last two psychs, in a fair and logical world I could request a lethal injection and they could harvest my organs as payment. Win-win.

Sadly, rationality doesn't seem to come into it.

Answer 1

When I was in the mindset of yourself I looked to philosophy, mainly kantian ethics which to my understanding is that we all have a duty to uphold no matter how big or small. These are some examples I came up with and feel free to add on.



Duties upheld to:

Soul Mate/Lover - I was once in love.

Family - I have a family that cares for me and I them.

Friends - I have a couple friends.

Career - I have a job.



Lacking any one of these categories can be depressing and make you feel worthless. Although some categories hold more importance over others, they are still solid arguments for a reason to live.

Unless you fall under all 4 of these, you have a reason and that reason may not be fun or exciting, but you have a duty to uphold.



The day you try and try again but can't obtain any of these is the same day a suicide can be justified. Life without any of these 4 is a bland and a meaningless life.



Don't give up

Answer 2

It's not rational, that's why.

Answer 3

So, you attempted and failed last Xmas with a Nembutal overdose? Really?? You chose Christmas as the time to ''self terminate'' and you are truly sad that friends and family won't accept it??



What an asshole you are. You have forever scarred their view of the holidays, dead or not. This time. I love 'the house burned down with all my suicide drugs inside' excuse too. Which holiday are you going to choose to ruin next? Halloween's coming up. Perfect!



Unless you are suffering from a terminal, painful, untreatable and/or increasingly debilitating disease, your choice is baffling to the ones who care about you. In spite of 'being healthier than you have in decades' you are determined to end your life. And you make sure everyone knows it. Poor, pitiful you. Honestly, they are probably so secretly tired of your constant cries for attention by now that they can't wait for you to really die so they can get on with their own lives. Just be sure to have all your affairs in order - airtight will or trust signed and witnessed, pay your bills and close all your accounts . . .unless you intend to create Nightmare Part 2; Settling the Estate.



PS - a lethal injection will make your corpse unsuitable for organ harvesting, as will overdose, cancer and infectious diseases. Take up dangerous sports and keep a copy of your Do Not Resuscitate and Organ Donor papers on you at all times.

Answer 4

You won't like hearing this, but it's because they are looking out for you. They care for you and see your value. There is always hope.

Answer 5

Why ( provide reasons ) (SOME or CERTAIN ) people won't accept My ( the questioners ) CHOICE to die .. Is it UP to Them to accept it ?



why is one concerned with others accepting it . one might want to explore that question also .



The simple answer is its not a CHOICE they are comfortable with , its a choice they would not make for themselves .



. consider what is called the "I AM the UNIVERSE" person . the i am the universe person is Betty who bakes a chocolate cake . Goes to a party announces to the crowd HEY HELLO I am HERE I brought a Chocolate cake , and then stands there wondering why the crowd has not descended to her and devoured the Chocolate cake ......Betty's thinking is SHE likes Chocolate cake so therefore EVERYONE else must Like chocolate cake , that is not a TRUTH ...



. so the REALITY is HUMANS DIE , the length (TIME ) that one lives from birth to death varies , and the WAY or means of death also varies .....One did not give an age ( TIME ) I am in my 60's humans at some point face DECLINE the duration of decline (Time ) AGING the body looses its regeneration abilities . what we call ILLNESS and Disease



. I often ask people HOW long do you want to LIVE , surprisingly most people answer age 90 , my next question is WHY ? what are your EXPECTATIONS , certainly not REJUVENATION one is AWARE its a process of slow decline ,, actuality they are NOT aware . they look at their grandparent and NEVER KNEW them when they were 7 14 30 or 50 , they have very little to register the decline , they just see them existing in their present state .



I ask people so what do you EXPECT to be doing at age 70 , next age 80 and is what they think they will be doing at 70 the same activities they will be doing at 90 , at some point AGEING can be a continuous repeat of the MOVIES GROUNDHOG DAY ..



.. the actual question is WHY do you want to die . one has actually described all the METHODS one CHOSE , but never actually gave a REASON WHY



one wants to SELF determine the length the span TIME one will live .. One mentions MARTIN MANLEY His blogs answer to the WHY question is an ODD response his response is NOT with REASONS , but rather a QUESTION WHY NOT ? so he plays on one giving a list not reasons , but basically because i have as a person the POWER to basically because I CAN .



. I also have the ability to drink a quart of vodka everyday ...



. so it comes down to a PERSONAL decision of what your willing to tolerate and experience in life and what your not and when you Choose ITS ENOUGH



. what a persons EXCEPTIONS are of the Future ( TIME ) and ones r awareness of their present state , what that period of TIME is , and the knowledge one has the ability to CONTROL what that period of time will be The Reality it was two other humans ( most cases except for Artificial insemination ) that as humans we come into BEING . then its years of human telling us what to do and not do , then as ADULTS we get some independence , but still others and governments tell us what we can an can not do ,, should we not actually have a final say about duration of TIME ..



...ALL humans will decline , some faster than others ....I have a relative his mother is 96 , every time the nurses move her he demands they give her PAIN medication , because she is in pain .



the other day i asked , who are you really trying to medicate HER , or your OWN uneasiness with her DECLINE , I said tell me ALL about her quality of life being all doped up , when do we stop calling it LIVING because sometimes it becomes a long slow awareness of a down hill decline



yesterday after months of pleading he finally SIGNED the DNR , something that would have been probably more beneficial to HER if he had signed it 10 or 15 years ago .



SUICIDE is not a only option WAIT it out .. I suggest All people if they want control consider to have their wishes KNOWN sign a DNR ,get a DNR bracelet a organ donor card and let natural events take it course , one did state DECADES how many one did not state that can be two ( 20 ) or 4 or 6 or 8 (80 ) , that's one way to not LET others DECIDE or make choices for you , you maintain your control . but do not have to self inflict



one seems to have provided a pattern of behavior of being RESCUED , some might question why one forming that pattern, it certainly brings about FOCUSED attention on oneself , efforts to re- establish a degree of health and recovery , quote , the best one has felt in DECADES , one might want to question that pattern , do other people only show you attention when on the brink of death, why is that ?



so the "BURNING" question ( excuse the Pun ) if one has made so many attempts but failed , the next question to ask oneself is WHY ( provide the reasons ) one has not signed a DNR or has not gotten a DNR bracelet Many people have them



I googled it the state of Texas ( many others ) through the department of health has a OUT of hospital DNR program, and such bracelets can be obtained known as OOH DNR . they are also sold on EBay

Answer 6

Some people don't have friends to plead with them (not to die).

I think you want the 'right to die' more than you actually want to die.

If you don't have a terminal illness, then why do you want to die?

Explain your situation, because there actually are some people

out there who agree with the right to die. But not for a healthy

person like you.

Answer 7

Grow up. I cannot stand selfish individuals such as yourself.

Answer 8

Y do you want to die? why not do something for some one else like helping people the sick the poor if you don't care for your life care for some ones else they will appreciate you what you do for them I promise it will make you happy using your time to make some one else happy. life to short to even think about dying early in time it will come. if you think you know it all you don't. do something for me first before you go and kill your self find this answers for me why do we exist who created us and why are we here for.

Answer 9

Because people care about you and feel you are valuable. They do not understand why you don't feel that way about yourself. Before you go, maybe decide to be a foster parent first. There's a kid out there who is even more lost than you. Since you're ready to give up your life, why not have it be constructive?

Answer 10

If you truly wanted to, you would just kill yourself. The fact that you want everyone else to accept it proves you don't actually want to die.

My friend, life is a gift and you should not take it for granted. There are many people who actually are dying who would love to trade places with you.

I feel very sorry for you that you feel you should die. Get the help you deserve.

Answer 11

Where do you think this is "rational?" There is nothing of the sort, suicide is definitely an irrational act, now get your thoughts in the right place! Or maybe that isn't rational." The "Ole Fogey"

Answer 12

What are your reasons for wanting to die? Do you have a terminal disease that will kill you in a year or else?

Your story makes it sound as if you want attention. Nothing wrong with that, but it is wrong to make other people think you are going to kill yourself when you have no real intention of doing so just to get attention. I mean, what do you expect people to say? "Thanks for letting me know"? "Do you need any help? "

Answer 13

The family and friends who try to reason and plead with you to NOT end your life really care about you, and they'll *never* get over the pain, guilt, and anguish of losing a loved one in such a traumatic way.



For those in the U.S., here is a toll-free 24/7 helpline for those who are feeling suicidal to call:



1-800-273-TALK (8255).

Answer 14

People don't feel pain unless they think about it, which makes them feel depressed, as a result people have no sympathy for people with problems (except out of forced habit).



Another possibility is that they don't want to accept it because you made the stupid mistake of trusting that people could help you, and they couldn't. As a result you're stuck alive because they bothered to help you and feel slighted/think you're lying.



Sometimes they also genuinely think things will get better (incorrectly). Suicide is the safest option in life, that's why it's called the cowards way out. Being alive is reckless, anything can happen to you.

Answer 15

I mean - I can't stop you. If you want to die, then why make these questions about whether it is rational. Obviously no, everything in your body wants to keep you from any certain death - and people around you who want you to be with them. Both parties are selfish for wanting to keep and let go. I think there is a way to get around most things, but I don't know any other story besides my own. All you can do is look up in the morning and make it what you can. You will die either way of natural causes, so why rush

Answer 16

Because they're the selfish ones that don't want you to die so they're not sad and depressed

Answer 17

What is your rational argument for wanting to die? If you feel comfortable saying, what are these "conditions" you mentioned? Also, why is it important for you to have others understand your reasoning? I ask these questions because I want to understand your viewpoint.