Question:
Symptoms of PTSD, but no memory of a 'traumatic event'?
anonymous
2007-02-05 21:41:30 UTC
I have nightmares, dread going to sleep because of them. I sleep with my jeans and jacket on every night because I do not want to feel vulnerable. I have extremely quick reactions to people; if someone walks up behind me and I wasn't prepared (even in a store or at school) I'm liable to scream, jump, or hit them. I feel anger and depression quite often (I think partially due to the recent loss of my mother), but sometimes the anger feels extremely inappropriate..like I just wake up full of anger one day and there is NO explanation whatsoever. I could list more and more symptoms...but I think you get the idea.

My father is a Vietnam veteran...he is DIAGNOSED with post-traumatic stress disorder. Do you think it's possible I have learned this behavior from him to some degree, and just have 'shadow-symptoms'?
Or do you think I could be repressing memories of some trauma that is lost to me now? Or could I have undermined something I do remember that happned, like bullying, etc?
Eight answers:
edith clarke
2007-02-05 22:48:17 UTC
You could be suffering from repressed memories trying to surface (it is not extremely rare, unfortunately) but your sadness and anger could also be related to such a serious loss, as the death of a parent.



Instead of just asking for pills, first see a medical doctor and make sure you don't have something physical going on. Only after that's ruled out, and only if you're not drinking or using other drugs, should you consider using pills to help with depression. Be careful, since some anti-depressants have strong emotional side effects for some people (they can make you feel a lot worse or like a zombie). You could see a psychologist, but you'd have to be patient, since it can take time to find the right one (you have to feel comfortable with them, and they actually have to have some tools they can teach you so you can deal better with sadness, grief, or rage).



Good luck!
Susas
2007-02-13 12:52:51 UTC
Many mental illnesses have to do with both experience and genetics. I don't know much about PTSD, but I would guess it is similar to other mental illnesses in that it has a strong genetic basis. Not every Vietnam veteran has PTSD. In fact, most don't.This suggests that some people may be just more genetically inclined towards PTSD. Similar genetics may cause sons and daughters of people with PTSD to eventually develop PTSD themselves. There has to be an event to cause this though.

Also children, regardless of what is wrong with their parents, tend to have the similar negative behaviors to their parents when they are adults. Parents, especially fathers, are often known for unintentionally modeling negative behavior. It is hard to behave differently than your father. The home you grew up in is part of you.

But the depression is not really something you can learn. Many people don't think of inappropiate anger being a symptom of depression, but I believe that it can be and it can be very distrubing. Do you still live at home? Maybe it is that. You lost a parent and the only parent you have now is not really living in the current reality. Living under circumstances like that can be very difficult and I can understand why you feel vulnerable. Perhaps you should try going somewhere else for a while.
Trish
2007-02-13 10:22:05 UTC
I have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, which symptoms include "memory loss". It sounds as if you are blocking your emotions from the loss of your mother.



Seek professional counseling at once! You don't have to live with the panic attacks, depression, etc. There is help ot there.



/s/



One who knows
Clover
2007-02-07 15:07:28 UTC
I had p.t.s.d. symptoms all of my life but very little memory of childhood. At 25 I gave birth to a daughter and piece by piece my mind shared the memories of my terrible abuse with me. I would suggest you get a therapist and work on this. P.t.s.d. is an awful illness to live with and the sooner you tackle the healing process the sooner you'll get well. No, I don't think you learned it from your Dad.
anonymous
2007-02-13 16:55:51 UTC
you may be paranoid to a certain extent, but

ptsd is not genetic and it can not be transferred from one to another; however, it's certainly plausible that you've had a traumatic experience and don't remember it. when one has a traumatic experience, the chemical cortisol is released; if enought is released, a sort of targeted amnesia (of the event) can occur
Susan H
2007-02-13 16:16:51 UTC
Losing your mother is a traumatic event! You need to seek counseling to help you get past this. Good luck and peace to you
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2016-05-24 02:35:16 UTC
Prayer can be helpful. Know that God can help you live a better life if you want Him to help you. You can have a personal relationship with God by saying the prayer below. God is our Creator, all-knowing, all-powerful, eternal, holy, love. God loves us and sent us His Son, Jesus Christ, so we can go to heaven if we know and follow Him. Forever means without end -- time on and on without death. Forever is what happens after we die. Either we go to heaven and be with God forever, or we go to hell which is very bad and painful forever. The good people who are saved believers in Jesus Christ go to heaven. The bad people go to hell. We need to know and follow God in this world to get to heaven in the next world. We follow God by loving and obeying Him and loving others for Him. Jesus Christ, God's Son, is our bridge to God. Jesus died on the cross to cancel our sins. We need to accept Jesus into our life as our Lord and Savior forever to receive God's blessing and forgiveness plus go to heaven to be with God forever after we die. This is about being a born-again Christian. Faith in God is a gift from God. You can pray for faith in God. Just speak out and ask God for the faith to believe in Him and to follow Him. Some people find faith in God when they realize the beauty in the world is made by God. Evolution can't explain the world's natural beauty, for example, the parks in the world, animals, flowers, peacocks, sunsets, butterflies, rainbows, etc. After you have your faith on, you can pray a sinner's prayer to be a born-again Christian. This prayer is very important and should be said with a sincere heart and faith in God. This is the prayer: "Dear God, I know that I am a sinner and that Jesus Christ is the sacrifice for our sins. I have done the following sins (state these out) and I pray to discontinue these sins. I pray to receive Jesus Christ into my life as my Lord and Savior forever. In Jesus' name, amen." I'm Lutheran and I like the Baptist churches too. You could check out a Christian church and also their weekly Bible study group as a way to learn about God's will for your life. You can pray to God about your daily life and have a Christian church pray for you.
anonymous
2007-02-05 21:58:04 UTC
Q: Do you think it's possible I have learned this behavior from him to some degree, and just have 'shadow-symptoms'?

A: No. Doesn't exist.



Q: Or do you think I could be repressing memories of some trauma that is lost to me now?



A: I know that theoretically this is a possibility. I also know that this possibility is EXTREMELY remote. Such instances are very rare.



Instead of suffering like this, why don't you ask your MD for a referral to see a shrink? You are most certainly clinically depressed and you are getting evidently getting WORSE as time passes. Clinical depression over the death of a family member is extremely common; the anger and irritability you fell is a symptom of clinical depression too. The longer you wait, the more deeply you will continue to sink down into the depths of that black hole; there is no reason this need be. Just talk to your MD so you can get yourself on a path to recovery.



EDIT:

"Waswisgirl" (below) is not entirely correct: the jury is still out regarding the existence of repressed memories. There are arguments either way BUT there is no scientific EVIDENCE. After all, how do you 'prove' a memory? It can't be amputated or scanned...it's IMPOSSIBLE to prove. Anyway, this blurb from Wikipedia provides a (relatively) brief discussion about this ongoing controversial topic:



Do repressed memories actually exist?



Repressed memories may or may not exist. Amnesia of traumatic events does appear to happen, as do false memories or pseudo-memories; however, the theory of repressed memories involves far more, as it theorizes not only that memories can become completely unavailable to the conscious mind (amnesia) but that those same memories could later be retrieved, and at the time of retrieval have the same (or greater) reliability as memories which were never unavailable to the conscious mind. Many theories of Amnesia, such as Dissociative Amnesia, involve recall.



However it remains true that one must distinguish general psychological repression, amnesia, false memories or pseudo-memories, and the theory of repressed memories. They all are different concepts, each building upon different theoretical conceptions.



There currently exists a great controversy among researchers, treating professionals, law professionals, and the general public as to whether repressed memories actually exist, and even more heated controversy over whether recovered memories are valid, especially in the absence of corroboratory evidence. This is particularly important as many controversial criminal cases have been based on a witness' testimony of recovered repressed memories, often of alleged childhood sexual abuse. In some instance, the presumed existence of repressed memories are used to extend the Statute of limitations of child abuse case. Abuses of the Repressed Memory Theory and of controversial therapies like Recovered Memory Therapy often cause false memories to be formed.[citation needed]

The Recovered Memory Therapy industry involved thousands of psychotherapists using hypnosis, group therapy and other means to help patients recover alleged "repressed memories". This industry was dismantled over a five year period by hundreds of malpractice lawsuits beginning with the Hamanne v. Humenansky trial of August of 1995. See, See, Gustafson, Paul. Jury awards patient $2.6 million: Verdict finds therapist Humenansky liable in repressed memory trial Minneapolis St. Paul Tribune, August 1, 1995. See also, Associated Press, Doctor Loses False-memory Suit, Chicago Tribune, Wed. Aug. 2, 1995, Sec. 1, pg. 12 "I think the effect is a stunning warning to therapists... and to insurance companies that they had better start obeying the informed consent laws and stop using experimental treatments like recovered memory treatments on patients…," attorney/psychologist R. Christopher Barden said. "This is a huge warning shot to them."



Subsequent cases produced similar results culminating in the Burgus v. Braun case which, at $10.6 million, remains the world record for a psychotherapy malpractice settlement. See, See, Belluck, P. Memory Therapy Leads to a Lawsuit and Big Settlement [$10.6 Million], The New York Times, Page 1, Column 1, Nov. 6, 1997. The next thing I think there will be is legislation to require informed consent from psychiatric patients for such [recovered memory] 'treatments', said Dr. R. Christopher Barden, a psychologist and lawyer [for the plaintiff]... I think insurance companies will stop reimbursing people for mental health treatments that are not proven safe and effective. This is the death knell for recovered memory therapy. And it was.



Recovered memory therapy today is considered a dangerous form of malpractice and a cause for license revocation.



Research and theories supporting repressed memories



All theories claiming support for so-called repressed memories are highly controversial and have little support among mainstream memory experts. One speculative theory on how repressed memories originate is that traumatic memories are stored scattered about in the amygdala and hippocampus but not integrated into the neocortex. Also, it could be possible the right brain stores the memory but does not communicate it to the verbal left brain. This may mean that there is a continual active effort by the unconscious to repress memories, which can be dropped at a moment's notice should the unconscious decide to. For example, one possibility might be the anterior cingulate actively inhibits the memory from reaching consciousness.



Another theory is that the cortisol, a chemical released during trauma, may induce forgetting.[1][2] Cortisol appears to have the ability to erase details and possibly induce amnesia. One anecdotal study done by ABC News showed military personnel who were put through an extremely traumatic situation were unable to properly identify details of the memories, even remembering the perpetrator as someone of a different sex or with a different skin color.[citation needed]



Some people believe that people just force themselves to forget. Some studies have shown that people can force themselves to forget non-traumatic facts. Other researchers say that this might be explained by normal forgetting and normal recall experienced with all memories.[3]



A review of these theories has been published by Professors Harrison Pope and James Hudson of Harvard Medical School. See, Pope HG Jr, Oliva PS, Hudson JI. Repressed memories. The scientific status of research on repressed memories. In: Faigman DL, Kaye DH, Saks MJ, Sanders J, eds. Science in the law: social and behavioral science issues. St. Paul, MN: West Group, 2002, pp 487-526.



Research and theories critical of the theory of repressed

memories



Competent studies of more than 10,000 trauma victims found none that repressed or recovered memories of trauma. See Pope HG Jr, Oliva PS, Hudson JI. Repressed memories. The scientific status of research on repressed memories. In: Faigman DL, Kaye DH, Saks MJ, Sanders J, eds. Science in the law: social and behavioral science issues. St. Paul, MN: West Group, 2002, pp 487-526



Similarly, studies of thousands of abused children found no evidence at all for so-called repressed or recovered memories. Coupled with laboratory studies and other naturalistic investigations, most prominent researchers in the field agree with Harvard University's Richard McNally and consider the notion of repressed memory to be a pernicious bit of psychiatric folklore. See McNally RJ. The science and folklore of traumatic amnesia. Clinical Psychology: Science and Practice 11:29-33, 2004



In addition, recent research demonstrating the relative ease of deliberately implanting false memories has been cited as evidence for this hypothesis. Hundreds of people who went through therapy and were convinced that they had been abused by their family members have recanted and no longer believe they were abused.[4]



Repressed memories also may be mistaken for a normal form of amnesia of early childhood experienced by all humans. Memories before age 2 are almost always false or at least inaccurate, and few adults remember anything before age 3. This does not mean the individual was not abused, just that they do not have any memory of it and should not be expected to recall it.



Recovered memory therapy



Main article: Recovered memory therapy

The recovered memory therapy (RMT) movement peaked in the mid-1990s with tens of thousands of patients annually reporting new so-called recovered memories. Thousands of patients’ families were torn asunder by allegations of abuse produced in therapy. The recovered memory movement was ultimately decimated by a wave of successful malpractice lawsuits. The first multi-million dollar verdict against a recovered memory therapist was the 1995 case of Hamanne v. Humenansky case in the U.S.[5] The final crushing blow to the RMT movement came in 1997 with a $10.6 million legal award to the Burgus family.[6] "The next thing I think there will be is legislation to require informed consent from psychiatric patients for such so-called 'treatments'," said Dr. R. Christopher Barden, a psychologist and lawyer [for the plaintiff], "This (case) is the death knell for recovered memory therapy."



World-wide attention on the Burgus case exposed the glaring scientific, methodological and ethical errors inherent in recovered memory therapy and the underlying theory of so-called repressed memories. Following a series of high profile litigation losses, many of the professional leaders of the RMT movement suffered licensing prosecutions, license revocations, disciplinary actions and even criminal prosecutions. The leading journal in the field, Dissociation, ceased publication. By 2000, the "memory wars" were largely over and it is rare in 2005 to find a therapist who will admit conducting any form of therapy to recover so-called repressed memories. International experts in memory, research procedures and ethics continue to document how and why such an odd form of quackery became so widespread. The definitive work on the subject to date is "Remembering Trauma" by Prof. Richard McNally, Harvard University Press (2003). Prof. McNally summaries the relevant scientific research and concludes that the notion of repressed memory is nothing more than psychiatric "folklore".



Body memory



A form of repressed memory is supposed to be Body memory. Body memory is a claim that the body itself (rather than the brain) remembers something - typically abuse. This is characterised by a pain in a body part where there appears to be no present day physical reason for the pain, so this is seen as evidence of the body remembering a past pain, similar to phantom limb syndrome.



Some psychologists and social workers use the term body memory to refer to physical symptoms that accompany trauma. Studies have shown that survivors of trauma, specifically with PTSD, have a predisposition to illness and injuries. Stress headaches would also be an example of a "body memory" when you use this definition. However, these symptoms are not only trauma induced and do not prove or disprove memories or trauma.



There currently is no scientific evidence of body memory corresponding with either of these two definitions.


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